The Real Reason for Global Warming !!!!

[jokosr]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313844,00.html

I knew it was not because American's drive there cars so much its all Canada's fault!! :cheesy
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Study: Canadian Beer Drinkers Threaten Planet
Thursday, November 29, 2007

A threat to the planet, eh?
Scientists have found a new threat to the planet: Canadian beer drinkers.

The government-commissioned study says the old, inefficient "beer fridges" that one in three Canadian households use to store their Molson and Labatt's contribute significantly to global warming by guzzling gas- and coal-fired electricity.

"People need to understand the impact of their lifestyles," British environmental consultant Joanna Yarrow tells New Scientist magazine. "Clearly the environmental implications of having a frivolous luxury like a beer fridge are not hitting home. This research helps inform people — let's hope it has an effect."

The problem is that the beer fridges are mostly decades-old machines that began their second careers as beverage dispensers when Canadians upgraded to more energy-efficient models to store whatever Canadians eat besides doughnuts and poutine.

University of Alberta researcher Denise Young, who led the study, suggests that provincial authorities hold beer-fridge buy-backs or round-ups to eliminate the threat — methods that Americans use to get guns off the streets.

[Melek~Taus]

Haha, good ol' Fox News trying to make "news." Gotta love their ways though. Tomorrow it'll be Santa's fault :D .

Global Warming....ha! It's called Global cycles Fox....They gotta stop getting reporters straight from the streets and report some real 'news.'

Damn us Canucks....damn us all to hell:censored

[jokosr]

Haha, good ol' Fox News trying to make "news." Gotta love their ways though. Tomorrow it'll be Santa's fault :D .

Global Warming....ha! It's called Global cycles Fox....They gotta stop getting reporters straight from the streets and report some real 'news.'

Damn us Canucks....damn us all to hell:censored

Na, i dont damn ya Canucks, but I dont understand this..Its gotta be cold enough up there to not need a beer box !!! Just pass me a beer ( blue Please) and i will forgive you for the warmer weather!!! :drinks

[Melek~Taus]

Blue? oh man....Molson my pick over the two.

Cold? Pff...it's never too cold to not have a beer. Less water in ours than the US stuff, so it freezes at much lower temps :D ....hence the fridges to keep them "cool"

[Blitzkrieg]

Derrrrrr


If it's a fridge, it's COOLING the globe?

Environmentalists are stoopid. :crazy

[Gugol_Khan]

They just need an excuse to charge you for living, as if global warming is your fault and not the fault of the corporations that are reliant on foreign energy sources...



Next thing you know, they"ll take our thoughts away
~ Megadeth

[masquer]

I knew it was not because American's drive there cars so much its all Canada's fault!! :cheesygolly, I heard that's because livestock farts too much which causes global warming... what do you know...

[Fear4Future]

You'd think people up in more developped countries would actually be informed on global warming. Guess not. The first problem is CFC's, which destroy ozone, letting in more ultra-violet rays. One CFC molecule can destroy up to 1000 ozone molecoles... So the production of CFCs must be banned completely. They were originally used as coollants in old fridges.

Then we got good 'ol carbon dioxide. Off course there has to be certain levels of carbon dioxide so that the carbon cycle and all that stuff can function. But when the levels get to high, the carbon dioxide can form a layer that deflects infrared rays back to earth, which warms it up. A big factor that causes an increase in Venus's temperature is its extremely high carbon dioxide levels. We surely don't want to become another Venus.

And if you think global warming is a bunch of made up crap, just watch the news. Increased natural disasters ... Well, I'm not saying turn off the lights, stop driving a car, or anything like that. Just try to pollute a little less.

[Melek~Taus]

Sorry Fear...you are somewhat wrong. The whole human = GW is missunderstood. If anything we are just speeding up the cycle. We can stop all pollution 100% and reverse our effects by 100% and we'd still have this change occur. You can stop it like you can stop the ice age. It's gonna happen whether we want it or not. So in a way you are right, but in the greater scheme, we are all in for a change....well maybe not "us."

Sit back and enjoy the ride ;)

[Fear4Future]

Yeah, that's the prob. We are speeding it up. Hopefully I won't be around when the worst crap happens. lol. Oh well, I'm a good swimmer.

[ghetto bob]

If we are to get in a real conversation about global warming, then I call shenanigans. Most of you are too young to remember, but back in the 70"s, the rallying cry of the environmentalist wacko's was global cooling, the next ice age was upon us... Here is the text of the story from Newsweek Magazine: http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

In reality, the temperature of the earth is now back to what it was around 1940...

There is a natural cycle of heating and cooling that will always occur.

The best line from jokosr's story:
to store whatever Canadians eat besides doughnuts and poutine :rofl

[Melek~Taus]

Isn't that what I said? Cycles....the only difference is, that every few thousands years(ie, more than 10-25K) we go into huge cycles. I think the problem is we don't really know when the next big one is....though the Aztecs seem to think it's soon :o . It's gonna always be like this. People see change and that's the greatest fear of man...change. So it's inevitable for people to go crazy over such situations, and when that occurs people see a way to make money....see Gore.

[noah]

ahhhhhh global warming we all going to dieeeeee ;101 :help

[foskasse]

Of course that the global warming is not our fault. How could it be?

Cause if it was, we would have to be ashamed, and worried, but we cant have guilt when the economy depends on the destruction of the Earth..

So go on, kill us all, and blame the "cycles"...

[hhmira]

If we are to get in a real conversation about global warming, then I call shenanigans. Most of you are too young to remember, but back in the 70"s, the rallying cry of the environmentalist wacko's was global cooling, the next ice age was upon us... Here is the text of the story from Newsweek Magazine: http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

In reality, the temperature of the earth is now back to what it was around 1940...

There is a natural cycle of heating and cooling that will always occur.

The best line from jokosr's story:
:rofl
interesting reading... :)
if it is a cycle, that is ok. But humans should not do things to speed it up...

[Blitzkrieg]

You'd think people up in more developped countries would actually be informed on global warming. Guess not. The first problem is CFC's, which destroy ozone, letting in more ultra-violet rays. One CFC molecule can destroy up to 1000 ozone molecoles... So the production of CFCs must be banned completely. They were originally used as coollants in old fridges.

Then we got good 'ol carbon dioxide. Off course there has to be certain levels of carbon dioxide so that the carbon cycle and all that stuff can function. But when the levels get to high, the carbon dioxide can form a layer that deflects infrared rays back to earth, which warms it up. A big factor that causes an increase in Venus's temperature is its extremely high carbon dioxide levels. We surely don't want to become another Venus.

And if you think global warming is a bunch of made up crap, just watch the news. Increased natural disasters ... Well, I'm not saying turn off the lights, stop driving a car, or anything like that. Just try to pollute a little less.

idiotzor


If CFCs create a hole in the ozone layer, and carbon dioxide creates a greenhouse effect, then isn't the hole in the ozone layer just a giant vent for the greenhouse gases?

There is no problem.

Everyone turn your fridge on and leave the door open. Global warming solved.

[Melek~Taus]

Of course that the global warming is not our fault. How could it be?

Cause if it was, we would have to be ashamed, and worried, but we cant have guilt when the economy depends on the destruction of the Earth..

So go on, kill us all, and blame the "cycles"...

Either that's sarcasm or you are really not to verse in the history of the planet? There are a great deal of things our species should be ashamed of. Polution is one. All I was saying was that the cycle is a way of life for the planet. It will come with or without us. Global warming is a part of the cycle....we already said we just speed it up, but aren't the actual cause.....

oh....and you're always so cheery fosk....You'd make a great suicide hotline operator :p

[Gugol_Khan]

I will admit that the northern icecap is melting rather quickly and we indeed may be screwed, but riding a bicycle to work and throwing money at this problem is like trying to stop an avalanche with a snow shovel.

kiss it

[Fear4Future]

idiotzor


If CFCs create a hole in the ozone layer, and carbon dioxide creates a greenhouse effect, then isn't the hole in the ozone layer just a giant vent for the greenhouse gases?

There is no problem.

Everyone turn your fridge on and leave the door open. Global warming solved.

Um, no man. The ozone blocks out ultra-violet rays. Carbon dioxide blocks infrared rays. So when there is a hole in the ozone, ultraviolet rays get in (more than they should), then some of them get converted to infrared rays when reaching earth's surface, and is reflected back to the atmosphere. But carbon dioxide reflects the infrared rays back to heat earth up even further.

But don't believe science if you don't want to.

[Blitzkrieg]

Um, no man. The ozone blocks out ultra-violet rays. Carbon dioxide blocks infrared rays. So when there is a hole in the ozone, ultraviolet rays get in (more than they should), then some of them get converted to infrared rays when reaching earth's surface, and is reflected back to the atmosphere. But carbon dioxide reflects the infrared rays back to heat earth up even further.

But don't believe science if you don't want to.


:drinks Cool, somone finally answered my insanity :D I thought I was invisible for a while there.

Is ozone depletion part of the cyclic scheme of things?

[ghetto bob]

:drinks Cool, somone finally answered my insanity :D I thought I was invisible for a while there.

Is ozone depletion part of the cyclic scheme of things?

It is junk science, don't believe it, depletion of the ozone layer leads to cooling...

Although they are often interlinked in the mass media, the connection between global warming and ozone depletion is not strong. There are four areas of linkage:

* The same CO2 radiative forcing that produces near-surface global warming is expected to cool the stratosphere. This cooling, in turn, is expected to produce a relative increase in ozone (O3) depletion and the frequency of ozone holes.

* Conversely, ozone depletion represents a radiative forcing of the climate system. There are two opposing effects: Reduced ozone causes the stratosphere to absorb less solar radiation, thus cooling the stratosphere while warming the troposphere; the resulting colder stratosphere emits less long-wave radiation downward, thus cooling the troposphere. Overall, the cooling dominates; the IPCC concludes that "observed stratospheric O3 losses over the past two decades have caused a negative forcing of the surface-troposphere system"[37] of about −0.15 ± 0.10 watts per square meter (W/m²).[38]

* One of the strongest predictions of the greenhouse effect theory is that the stratosphere will cool. Although this cooling has been observed, it is not trivial to separate the effects of changes in the concentration of greenhouse gases and ozone depletion since both will lead to cooling. However, this can be done by numerical stratospheric modeling. Results from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory show that above 20 km (12.4 miles), the greenhouse gases dominate the cooling.[39]

* Ozone depleting chemicals are also greenhouse gases. The increases in concentrations of these chemicals have produced 0.34 ± 0.03 W/m² of radiative forcing, corresponding to about 14% of the total radiative forcing from increases in the concentrations of well-mixed greenhouse gases.[38]

There are tons of references to research that backs this statement.

then some of them get converted to infrared rays
:growse More junk science, the Law of Conservation of Energy easily refutes this "Goresque" statement. IR and UV could not be even remotely linked as IR has a wavelength above visible light (700 nm ->1 mm) and UV is below (10 nm ->400 nm)
Keep buying those "carbon offsets" sheeple, Al is making a mint off of it...

[Blitzkrieg]

And now Australians are getting a Melonomas and other skin cancers by the truckload. :(

How dumb are we? They must all be in our mind!

[masquer]

And now Australians are getting a Melonomas and other skin cancers by the truckload. :(huge market for sunscreens... slip, slop, slap

[Melek~Taus]

Actually cancer is on the rise, along with many other deseases due to reasons such as diet, ingredients in food, living conditions(materials in our possesions) and the general air we breath. The sun has an effect, though the above reasons are more the reasons for such increases. Cancer is a disease, disease attacks weakened cells. Strong cells equals less chance(unless genetic).

[Blitzkrieg]

Wow, ok, so there is acknowlegement that additives to make food look pretty cause us cancer, but the factories that pump tonnes carbon and industries spewing chlorine into the atmosphere can't possibly be causing any harm?


Well I'll never eat again, but I'll grab a pack of cigarettes.

[Blitzkrieg]

huge market for sunscreens... slip, slop, slap

There is in Australia :) Kids aren't aloud outside at daycare and schools without suncream and a legionnaire hat.

http://www.freshpromotions.com.au/img/productImages/4057_thumb.jpg

[Melek~Taus]

Wow, ok, so there is acknowlegement that additives to make food look pretty cause us cancer, but the factories that pump tonnes carbon and industries spewing chlorine into the atmosphere can't possibly be causing any harm?


Well I'll never eat again, but I'll grab a pack of cigarettes.

Hmmm, maybe I need to spell things for you?
"and the general air we breath" ....then again, perhaps the air you breath isn't part of the atmosphere? Head up somewhere again? :nana (had to do it)

All I know is I haven't been sick for over 2 years, don't get flu shots or any pharm medications. I eat right, take my vit, minerals and herbs(natural not marry J), and my hypoglycemia is gone, and so is the asthma I've had since I was 4 years old. Most people I get on the supplements I take find the same thing(jokes aside). Perhaps cleaning all the sh*t that I've consumed and the toxins my body absorbs had something to do with it? Hmmm? The air is still the same yet I AM better all around. Only real change is food. So ya the air and pollution is something but the health of your body is something else. Don't beleive? Try it. You get sick cause your system is weak. A strong system doesn't get sick(edit...I know cause I can hear the few....sick in most ways, not all!!!).

[Blitzkrieg]

Hmmm, maybe I need to spell things for you?
"and the general air we breath" ....then again, perhaps the air you breath isn't part of the atmosphere? Head up somewhere again? :nana (had to do it)

All I know is I haven't been sick for over 2 years, don't get flu shots or any pharm medications. I eat right, take my vit, minerals and herbs(natural not marry J), and my hypoglycemia is gone, and so is the asthma I've had since I was 4 years old. Most people I get on the supplements I take find the same thing(jokes aside). Perhaps cleaning all the sh*t that I've consumed and the toxins my body absorbs had something to do with it? Hmmm? The air is still the same yet I AM better all around. Only real change is food. So ya the air and pollution is something but the health of your body is something else. Don't beleive? Try it. You get sick cause your system is weak. A strong system doesn't get sick(edit...I know cause I can hear the few....sick in most ways, not all!!!).

I don't disagree, besides the "had to do it", I'd have completely agreed. What I find strange is how little emphasis you seem to allow for the macro effect of our decadence on the world around us? You seem pretty sure of additives in food that should do us no harm (and we always get told that) are responsible for causing harm. Yet you still listen and nod like a good little citizen when you are told pollution is only a problem where it's a problem (the aforementioned air we breath (sic) ).

[Melek~Taus]

You got me wrong. Pollution and what humans have done are killing the world, no question. We are the virus, AIDS and such are the white blood cells (if you look at the earth as a biological form...example). The earth is trying to in a sense rid itself of the disease.
The pollution and the chems we put in the air, water, land and our bodies all contribute to our own slow death. What I meant by my words, was that you can stop it all from affecting your health, IF you take care of yourself. Not just excerise(which I don't much) but with what and how you eat and live. Hard but it works. I ain't overweight, I am 31 and can and have passed for a 21 year old. So, it may be genetics or more likely(seen my parents and grandparents) how I choose to live. Look at those that don't do right....how old do they look(make-up / surgery aside). As for the Global Warming thing, it isn't our fault. What is, is how we treat the earth. We only add on to the cycle and speed it up. Not to mention make us live in a sewer(in a sense). As stated before, we can stop all we are doing and the world will still go into a heat cycle and then back to another iceage. Like Summer to Winter....we can't stop that either...we can however change the timelines and the harshness of them. Like global warming.

[Blitzkrieg]

I'm 28, I aint overweight, I exercise heaps and eat crap (guess neither of us are perfect, splice us for the ideal human). I'm generally healthy, but I'm also overworked and stressed. I take vitamins and some supplements, I try to eat well, but lunch on the run kills me. Also I tend to eat too much. I often put myself on a "kilograms" diet, whereby I tell myself after eating a bowl of Spaghetti Bolognaise that i don't need to finish my wife's, which was already much smaller than mine to start with. I get hayfever in spring, reactions to wasp bites (but you'd need crew access to verify that ;)), and a cold or two a year. Having 3 young kids does tend to leave one more disposed to viral exposure though.


General macro-environmental empathy, which tends to too much apathy due to my lack of time to actually learn enough about it, leaves me susceptible to whatever someone influential tells me. Be it Al Gore or a tree-hugging hippy handing out greenpeace pamphlets. Believing is easier than ignoring when the evidence seems overwhelming (record breaking temperatures seem to be reported too often, as do record low rainfalls and the like). Ice ages seem to happen over the course of thousands if not millions of years, and isn't the theory about the last ice age (the one that killed entire species of a, before then, dominant taxonomic class) the result of a catastrophic meteoric event (ergo blocking the sun with dust "pollution")? I dunno. It really seems easier to believe we are the catalyst rather than the passenger.

Agree to disagree (as I don't count myself as an expert, merely an observer. And I'm certainly not militant about it).

[Melek~Taus]

Ice age did happen over a long period of time. I agree on you with that. The opposite effect though won't....again because of us(pollution and cow farts) and other reasons.

[Gugol_Khan]

Wasn't the end of the last "Ice Age" called the "Great Flood"?
As recorded in 'The Gilgamesh' and the story of Noah?

[jokosr]

I think global warming is on hold..


ATLANTA — Freezing cold spread across the South and all the way to the Gulf Coast early Sunday, a day after the region got an unusual coating of snow.

Thermometers fell to 17 degrees early Sunday at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, and Blairsville in northeastern Georgia recorded a low of 9, said Stephen Konarik, a meteorologist at the National Weather Service in Peachtree City outside Atlanta.

Daytime temperatures Sunday were expected to rise only into the mid-30s.


Despite the chill, fears of slippery roads did not materialize because snowfall stopped before sunset Saturday in most of the Atlanta metro area, and strong wind helped dry pavement, Konarik said.

"Most of the water ... was able to get off the roads, so it wasn't so much of a problem that we know of," he said.

Sunday morning temperatures fell into the freezing range even on the Gulf Coast, where Mobile, Ala., and Gulfport, Miss., both hit 28 degrees, according to weather service Web sites. By midmorning, thermometers had risen to 36 at Mobile. New Orleans had a low of 32.

On Saturday, snow fell as far south as southwestern Mississippi, with totals of as much as 3 inches, although the ground was too warm to allow it to accumulate. It was that area's first snowfall since 2001, the National Weather Service said.

All five runways at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport remained open during Saturday's sleet and snow, but Delta Air Lines Inc. canceled about 280 flights, spokeswoman Betsy Talton said. AirTran Airways canceled about 80 and other flights were delayed by the need to deice wings, spokesman Tad Hutcheson said.

As much as 5 inches of snow fell in Alabama. The state's last major winter storm dropped 16 inches in March 1993.

[Melek~Taus]

Wasn't the end of the last "Ice Age" called the "Great Flood"?
As recorded in 'The Gilgamesh' and the story of Noah?

No, they were years apart...many years. Gilgamesh was about a great flash disaster, not a melting of icecaps. Noah's later version(copyright infringement lol) put the blame on a being instead, you know, the don't anger the volcano sorta deal :sealed

[ghetto bob]

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooli ng/article10866.htm?a

No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Does this mean that AlGore has to give his Nobel Prize back?

[Blitzkrieg]

Well I damn well hope it's all wrong, but I will still try to do the right thing at all times as, if nothing else, it will save my back pocket a bit.


Also what of the impending oil supply/demand crisis?

[ghetto bob]

Great editorial piece from Investors Business Daily:

Informed Decisions
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, March 28, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Climate Change: Al Gore says that those of us who are skeptical that man is warming the planet have a flat-Earth mind-set. But if Gore would open his mind, he'd learn that more than likely the opposite is true.


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In Sunday's appearance on CBS' "60 Minutes," Gore tells reporter Lesley Stahl that the skeptics of man-made global warming are "almost like the ones who still believe that the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona and those who believe the world is flat."

"That demeans them a little bit," he says, "but it's not that far off."

In addition to being gratingly sanctimonious, Gore is wrong. A study conducted by Texas A&M professors found that the more Americans know about global warming, the more likely they are to dismiss it.

"More informed respondents both feel less personally responsible for global warming, and also show less concern for global warming," the researchers write in "Personal Efficacy, the Information Environment, and Attitudes toward Global Warming and Climate Change in the USA," an article published in the peer-reviewed journal Risk Analysis.

The authors of the study and the accompanying article believe that Americans' strong confidence in scientists has made them less concerned about global warming. It seems the public believes science can solve any problems that might arise.

Just as plausible, though, is the probability that when Americans learn about the facts, they understand that the anthropogenic global warming theory is filled with holes. That would explain why the "more informed respondents . . . feel less personally responsible for global warming."

The study was no put-up job by oil interests. It was conducted by Paul M. Kellstedt, a Texas A&M associate professor of political science, who said the findings that were "just the opposite" of what they were expected out to be.

Co-authors were Arnold Vedlitz, the Bob Bullock chair in government and public policy at A&M's George Bush School of Government and Public Service, and Sammy Zahran, now an assistant professor of sociology at Colorado State University.

That sociologists tend to back candidates from the Democratic Party, such as Gore, is no secret. But the Nobel Prize/Oscar winner isn't running this time. He has, however, been nominated by columnist Joe Klein, who wrote in Time magazine last week that Gore would be "the answer to the Democratic Party's dilemma" that has been created by the Clinton-Obama brawl.

To Klein's suggestion we say: Run, Al, run. His candidacy would let us get this global warming issue aired out so we can finally be done with it. Maybe then the country will think back to this weekend's asinine Earth Hour, when we were all expected to turn off our lights, and realize it was a metaphor for the darkness that global warming alarmists have been operating under.

[Blitzkrieg]

It's hard to trust any study conducted out of Texas as being completely unaffected by the influence of the oil industry.


National Geographic News (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/)

Updated June 14, 2007


Global warming, or climate change, is a subject that shows no sign of cooling down. Here's the lowdown on why it's happening, what's causing it, and how it might change the planet.




Is It Happening?

Yes. Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change.

• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.

• The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.

• Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/12/061212-arctic-ice.html) or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/05/070515-inuit-arctic.html) are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.

• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/photogalleries/global_warming/) now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.

• Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998 (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/warming-coral.html), with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.

• An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060706-warming-fires.html), heat waves (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060801-heat-waves.html), and strong tropical storms (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0804_050804_hurricanewarming.html), is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.

The report, based on the work of some 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries, concluded that humans have caused all or most of the current planetary warming. Human-caused global warming is often called anthropogenic climate change.



• Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface. (See an interactive feature on how global warming works (http://green.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/gw-overview-interactive.html).)

• Humans are pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere much faster than plants and oceans can absorb it (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/05/070517-carbon-oceans.html).

• These gases persist in the atmosphere for years, meaning that even if such emissions were eliminated today, it would not immediately stop global warming (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0317_050317_warming.html).

• Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

• Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060913-sunspots.html) are "negligible" as a factor in warming, but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.

What's Going to Happen?

A follow-up report by the IPCC released in April 2007 (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070406-global-warming.html) warned that global warming could lead to large-scale food and water shortages and have catastrophic effects on wildlife.

• Sea level could rise between 7 and 23 inches (18 to 59 centimeters) by century's end, the IPCC's February 2007 report projects. Rises of just 4 inches (10 centimeters) could flood many South Seas islands and swamp large parts of Southeast Asia.

• Some hundred million people live within 3 feet (1 meter) of mean sea level, and much of the world's population is concentrated in vulnerable coastal cities. In the U.S., Louisiana and Florida are especially at risk (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0323_060323_global_warming.html).

• Glaciers around the world could melt, causing sea levels to rise while creating water shortages in regions dependent on runoff for fresh water.

• Strong hurricanes, droughts, heat waves, wildfires, and other natural disasters may become commonplace in many parts of the world. The growth of deserts may also cause food shortages in many places.

• More than a million species face extinction (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/01/0107_040107_extinction.html) from disappearing habitat, changing ecosystems, and acidifying oceans.

• The ocean's circulation system, known as the ocean conveyor belt, could be permanently altered, causing a mini-ice age in Western Europe (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/1130_051130_ice_age.html) and other rapid changes. • At some point in the future, warming could become uncontrollable by creating a so-called positive feedback effect (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060829-methane-warming.html). Rising temperatures could release additional greenhouse gases by unlocking methane in permafrost and undersea deposits, freeing carbon trapped in sea ice, and causing increased evaporation of water.



The other point of view. 2500 scientists in 130 countries? Bit more believable than 3 people in Texas. Would I be correct in assuming the "Investor's Business Daily" deals more in getting people to invest in companies (oil, deforestation, industry, et al.) than informing the world on climactic issues? And therefore also have a financial interest on debunking thinking that may cause a conscience decision against said industries?

Also - Paul M. Kellstedt, a Texas A&M associate professor of political science. I'm not doubting he's a smart man, but it seems like it's not really in his area...

[ghetto bob]

I'll let you know after I watch Al Bore on 60 minutes later tonight...

[Blitzkrieg]

No probs. I'm more apathetic than I seem, just wanted to post a contrary opinion. :)

[ghetto bob]

Yeah so its snowing in Houston tonight... :(

So much for your global warming

[helo]

Yeah so its snowing in Houston tonight... :(

So much for your global warming
It's the coldest this year that it's ever been in Alabama, since I've been here, but remember it's not global warming any more is Climate Change and Carbon taxes. Better not fart, it'll cost you a dollar. lol

[jokosr]

Better not fart, it'll cost you a dollar. lol now you tell me..I must owe 100 bucks just in the last few hours... ;nuke

[sassy]

I know what the problem is, when the nuke shields go down and we have a nuke fest then we have Global Warming for 24 hrs, 40 mins and 14 seconds: until the contamination clears for the radiation.

This city is currently contaminated by nuclear radiation and cannot be occupied for the next 24 hours, 36 minutes and 14 seconds.

;nuke ;nuke ;nuke ;nuke ;nuke

Now the beer farts is just plain old pollution lol

[Melek~Taus]

Well, to be truthfull, global warming does affect cold weather in large pockets. Little weather lesson.

Cold air and hot air do not like eachother, like Klan members with Panther members :). Because of this, they tend to group with their own "kind". This means that large warm pockets will be prominent in some areas, as cold pockets will fill the voids. As we are now in a winter cycle, for north america. These cold pockets are much larger despit global warming.

The bigger issue at hand, which should be of way more concern to us in North America is the population decrease of bees. As of now, the USA has had an 80% decline in populations. While most just say, 'well less stingers out there,' the reality is going to be a huge decline in food that relies on bee pollination. As a result of this shortage, prices will go up in an already fragile economic system. The population decrease is a result of global change. While some are dying from parasites able to go further north and infect new populations, some speculate that the increase in temperature may affect the colonies inside the hives, as they must expend more energy on their bee airconditioners.

So, is it real? Not everyone will see it as real until it's too late. Much like everything else we take for granted really. Enjoy the price jumps, enjoy the shortages, and enjoy the reality of it all.

Why so serious? the joker said.

"Because, it is the end of us all" I explain :)

[sassy]

[QUOTE=Melek~Taus]The bigger issue at hand, which should be of way more concern to us in North America is the population decrease of bees. As of now, the USA has had an 80% decline in populations.


This is a big problem in the US, I have a neighbor that keeps bees and he has told me that he gets less and less honey every year. Everyone who sprays their yards kills about a hundred bees a year, we are killing more than can reproduce.We need to pay more attention to what we are doing before we destroy everything. There is ways to kill insects with out killing the bees. Save the BEES and save our World!

[killerclown]

carbon-dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere have multiplied by 3 in the past 50 years.....

HEHEHE! how many people know that the atmosphere is made up of 72.7% nitrogen, 23% Oxygen and 0.3% everything else???
That means that frick all carbon-dioxide has multiplied into a little bit more than frick all.

BUT......
Do you also know that it concentrations of the "other" gasses reaches 2%, the globes ecosystems will collapse?

[Melek~Taus]

That's just it. The slightest variant in any percentages are always catastophic. Look at temperature change and frogs (not the french) <---sorry little "bad" humour. Temperature changes have already taken its toll on these precursors. Move the planet away from the sun by .5% of the distance we all die...So, Co2 levels may be insignificant in terms of numbers, but in reality are more significant than the economy. What's an economy with noone to be in it?


carbon-dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere have multiplied by 3 in the past 50 years.....

HEHEHE! how many people know that the atmosphere is made up of 72.7% nitrogen, 23% Oxygen and 0.3% everything else???
That means that frick all carbon-dioxide has multiplied into a little bit more than frick all.

BUT......
Do you also know that it concentrations of the "other" gasses reaches 2%, the globes ecosystems will collapse?

[Blitzkrieg]

Basically, if a man made product (CFCs) has had such a dramatic effect on the ozone layer, it does make believeable the theory of global warming being man affected.

Or tell the people of the Maldives to relax.....

[King_Diamond]

Let me suggest you a very important book: "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton.
Read it and you will see the world with different eyes ;)

[jokosr]

i have been reading alot about the magnetic field and the solar flares...which is a 11 year cycle...and many believe that the change in the magnetic field is the cause of global warming not man...

[Melek~Taus]

OMG!! Not only do we have to worry about rising seas, but now entire islands tipping over!!! Can you beleed dat ****!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg&feature=player_embedded

Remember this is someones elected official. My god this scam is truly bringing out the nut jobs....lol. Oh the scams that people can believe in.

[Luke]

Islands have tipped over in the past ;). But because of huge natural disasters. For example after the explosion of Santorini's vulcano, Crete is tipped over a bit. Ofcourse not as much as he's saying ;)

[Blitzkrieg]

Oh wow! He's an elected member of parliament in USA? Elected by people or put in a position by the party?

[ghetto bob]

Parliament?

The US is not a democracy, we are a representative republic. A republic is form of government whereby the majority elects representatives to enact laws on behalf of everyone. A democracy is direct government rule by the majority and is concerned only with the wants or needs of the dominant group.

So in answer to your question, yes this idiot was elected by the people to represent their interests in Congress. Pretty scary huh?

[Blitzkrieg]

Yeah. That guy's a complete moron.....

And island will capsize due to having too many people on it? Gosh golly. How did he pass primary school?

But how do people actually vote for someone so bereft of basic logic?

[RagingMongoose]

When I rule the world, people will vote for me whether I'm logical or not, my "Security Forces" will make sure of that!

Remember to smile when you vote for me too, not too little, not too much, just the right kind of smile that says "I can't believe how lucky I am to be allowed to vote for Raging" - my Ministry of Devine Justice will be watching so get practicing! Haha

[Melek~Taus]

Leaked U.S. Document Calls For “Global Regime” To Tackle Climate Change (http://www.infowars.com/leaked-u-s-document-calls-for-global-regime-to-tackle-climate-change/)


Another big leak about GLOBAL WARMING Mwahahaha!!!

Kaboom! (http://www.infowars.com/leaked-u-s-document-calls-for-global-regime-to-tackle-climate-change/) <--- Enjoy!

So, it's not a matter of don't help the environment...it's about not allowing a bunch of A-holes to derail and screw up the concept. Al Gore is pretty much the face of Global Warming much like Joseph Goebbels was for another front.

(The comparison is based on the Face that the people see and not the actual events of each character. If I don't specify then I know the idea will be highjacked by the ignorant.)