I'm thinking about resetting the scores.
Main reasons include:
Some tweaking.
But most important:
Since the reset some found some holes that have actually been abused. Those holes are now closed.
Some have also jewelscripted beyond imagine, also with fake accounts.
Several alliances who have lost geos(in either attacking or being attacked) have been refunded(which was quite a lot).
Now it seems that the alliances that had cheaters in them, and the alliances that were refunded are now again in balance(back to what they originally had), one thing remains unbalanced. That's the score.
Some scores are now too far off because of this and therefor it's necessary to reset it.

Next game will be to put names on actors...

I'm thinking about resetting the scores.
Several alliances who have lost geos(in either attacking or being attacked) have been refunded(which was quite a lot).
Now it seems that the alliances that had cheaters in them, and the alliances that were refunded are now again in balance(back to what they originally had)

Can we get details about this, like what alliances are involved, how much has been refunded, that kind of info??

why not just do away with scores until it is decided what the final scoring system is.

i mean we already have 2 systems in place, had 2 systems last reset with no clear winner. it will be the same this round as well

why not just do away with scores until it is decided what the final scoring system is.

i mean we already have 2 systems in place, had 2 systems last reset with no clear winner. it will be the same this round as well

I actually want to finish the score system.
Consider it as a testfeature now.
When it was hidden, nobody bothered to comment or check on it.

I agree.. i would like to know what happened, to who, and what and to who it was refunded.

Fair enough...I guess..

Sorry for NAOW... :(

I don't think I need to go into details.
I never did...and most probably can guess already so no need. Amounts refunded wouldn't be fair to those refunded as you can then guess what they own.

Just a fact:
Nobody was refunded too much. Only too little.

Cheaters have been brought down and many under suspicion.
More will be banned, and some under suspicion might be refunded a little as it took a huge operation getting back cheated geos, taking in alliance mates that should've seen it and didn't report it.

Also as of now we have a small team of 'hackers' in the crew.
Say hello to Dron and Masquer. Our 'anti fraud squad' as Games Master called them.
They helped us close some holes we didn't know there were there. They will keep on trying to hack the game and report to us so we can solve the problem.
I was under the naive impression that the game, besides jewelling, was cheatproof. I was wrong. There are always things you forget about. Things you think nobody could ever look for. But creative minds go a long way and a lot of these holes could be, and were, used to gain geos.
So...as they have been hacking into the game and kept on reporting what they found, I'm proud to have them on the team :)

Ahh well, it would probally be best to just hide the Attack Scoring system until it is finished with the testing.

Do you mind releasing the formula again?
Pretty sure we have someone else who'd like to take a whack at it besides mAverik and myself.

I don't think I need to go into details.
I never did...and most probably can guess already so no need. Amounts refunded wouldn't be fair to those refunded as you can then guess what they own.

Just a fact:
Nobody was refunded too much. Only too little.

Cheaters have been brought down and many under suspicion.
More will be banned, and some under suspicion might be refunded a little as it took a huge operation getting back cheated geos, taking in alliance mates that should've seen it and didn't report it.

I'm not acussing anyone of anything.
I know this is your game Luke and you can disregard this observation, but just think about this from other perspective:

The jeweling bonus weekend(first time ever...) happen one week before NAOW went after WTO.
WTO had the most members being under suspicion.
NAOW was able to attack in various fronts at the same time with the same force.
There was an opperation to get back cheated geos.
There was geos refunded.

I think a little clarification can't hurt IMHO...

Mild observation ;)
Check on all the alliances attacking ;) Not just 1.

Though in the right direction. As I said details from me weren't necessary as this wasn't a big secret.
Though I did refund most that would get refunds for attacking any cheaters and get attacked by them, I also warned them that at the end they might be worse off as they would make a mortal enemy beyond my refunding.
Gamewise it would stay just the same. Only thing that was different is that cheaters could keep on attacking or being attacked by some alliances that wouldn't go down in geos after those attacks. For other enemies it would remain as if nothing happened gamewise.
Those that after all investigations are over can still prove they couldn't have seen their alliance mates cheating, might be refunded a little.

But stating: the only thing that's unbalanced after this has now been done, is the score.

Mild observation ;)
Check on all the alliances attacking ;) Not just 1.

Though in the right direction. As I said details from me weren't necessary as this wasn't a big secret.
Though I did refund most that would get refunds for attacking any cheaters and get attacked by them, I also warned them that at the end they might be worse off as they would make a mortal enemy beyond my refunding.
Gamewise it would stay just the same. Only thing that was different is that cheaters could keep on attacking or being attacked by some alliances that wouldn't go down in geos after those attacks. For other enemies it would remain as if nothing happened gamewise.
Those that after all investigations are over can still prove they couldn't have seen their alliance mates cheating, might be refunded a little.

But stating: the only thing that's unbalanced after this has now been done, is the score.

The score is unbalanced to those alliances in this opperation, for the rest of us, the score is not unbalanced, as every point there is due hard/honestly earned geos.

An opperation like this should have been discussed, at least with the leaders of alliances in the middle...

The score is unbalanced to those alliances in this opperation, for the rest of us, the score is not unbalanced, as every point there is due hard/honestly earned geos.

An opperation like this should have been discussed, at least with the leaders of alliances in the middle...

It was discussed with alliances affected.
And as score is only there for testing at the moment as it isn't finished, I didn't think it would be any problem.
Remember score was hidden before...I only opened it up so people could come up with good formula's to make it good. It's not good at the moment and needs a lot of work so I don't see why it shouldn't be reset.
And this also means I have to come up with a good way of not letting score go up when someone is refunded, because then score becomes unbalanced.
Until now when someone cheats, he or she could get geos refunded.
This time we are talking about approx 100 players that are refunded. But even though it balances the game out by refunding them, the score is set.
So that unbalances my refunding players.

I really don't care about the score, i also feel it need changes.
Who knew about it in 3rd World?, i think we were involved as we are in war with NAOW since the beggining of this reset, i'm not demanding anything, if you didn't feel that we needed to know, it's fine, really. We could have negotiated something, like a ceasefire with NAOW during that opperation.
Is everything in order now???

It was discussed with alliances affected.
And as score is only there for testing at the moment as it isn't finished, I didn't think it would be any problem.
Remember score was hidden before...I only opened it up so people could come up with good formula's to make it good. It's not good at the moment and needs a lot of work so I don't see why it shouldn't be reset.
And this also means I have to come up with a good way of not letting score go up when someone is refunded, because then score becomes unbalanced.
Until now when someone cheats, he or she could get geos refunded.
This time we are talking about approx 100 players that are refunded. But even though it balances the game out by refunding them, the score is set.
So that unbalances my refunding players.

I really don't care about the score, i also feel it need changes.
Who knew about it in 3rd World?, i think we were involved as we are in war with NAOW since the beggining of this reset, i'm not demanding anything, if you didn't feel that we needed to know, it's fine, really. We could have negotiated something, like a ceasefire with NAOW during that opperation.
Is everything in order now???

If NAOW was involved, why would 3rd need to know? Or any other alliance?
They would notice no difference....except ofcourse in score.
The only one noticing anything would be anyone noted down as cheater.
If it was that way, every alliance would have to know as like I said more than a hundred players were refunded. Every alliance in some way would have something to do with them.

Though in the end it was pretty open....just only a few names pop'd up while I imagined a lot more would.

I have a feeling now however the dangerous holes are closed. I also encourage everyone that finds one to report it.
Reporting it is rewarded....not reporting it eventually gets you banned because everything is logged.

As for some having a good reason to need more info, an alliance leader is always welcome to PM me asking for details. No need for much secrecy around this operation as not much is wrong.

What about the alliance that have busted butt for this score and thats all we worked for this game.....now you are going to take that away? i dont see any geos coming this way......maybe a pm to all alliance leaders frist and let them know whats going on first instead of posting this to all of gewar.........

i gotta agree with jokosr here. score has never been my thing, but i know that others play for it and now they will be punished due to the cheaters, and for the sake of one alliance

i dont think that this is fair... my alliance, attacked at the beggining to get a good score, and kept attacking... while others jsut saved there geos, and never attacked. Now these guys are rly rich so its an advantage for them, since the score will be reset they will be able to get a good score easily compared to guys like me that used there geos and that are not rich at all.... Right now we are not rich, but we have the score... So that wouldnt be fair at all... unless of course u repay everyone for there money spent, but that wont happen. So if u are going to reset the score, u might as well do a reset...

i dont think that this is fair... my alliance, attacked at the beggining to get a good score, and kept attacking... while others jsut saved there geos, and never attacked. Now these guys are rly rich so its an advantage for them, since the score will be reset they will be able to get a good score easily compared to guys like me that used there geos and that are not rich at all.... Right now we are not rich, but we have the score... So that wouldnt be fair at all... unless of course u repay everyone for there money spent, but that wont happen. So if u are going to reset the score, u might as well do a reset...
i agree with yome.

i dont think that this is fair... my alliance, attacked at the beggining to get a good score, and kept attacking... while others jsut saved there geos, and never attacked. Now these guys are rly rich so its an advantage for them, since the score will be reset they will be able to get a good score easily compared to guys like me that used there geos and that are not rich at all.... Right now we are not rich, but we have the score... So that wouldnt be fair at all... unless of course u repay everyone for there money spent, but that wont happen. So if u are going to reset the score, u might as well do a reset...

I think you give too much importance about the score..

I dont think this game is about scores, but if you do..
I may be wrong I dont know..

I think you give too much importance about the score..

I dont think this game is about scores, but if you do..
I may be wrong I dont know..
No hes right and your wrong ..alot of us go by score...thats what the big deal was about last game and why we reset last game to put in the new score system...We dont keep cities we attack..yome alliance also....Now we are going to reset it again,give geos to people i have no idea why....This game has lost alot of people from last reset if we keep going this way...only a couple of people will be playing....

No hes right and your wrong ..alot of us go by score...thats what the big deal was about last game and why we reset last game to put in the new score system...We dont keep cities we attack..yome alliance also....Now we are going to reset it again,give geos to people i have no idea why....This game has lost alot of people from last reset if we keep going this way...only a couple of people will be playing....

Hum, ok. If you play by score, I think this reset will bother you. But i dont so..

And I think many people doesnt play for it either.. Its just an opinion of a noob.

i dont think that this is fair... my alliance, attacked at the beggining to get a good score, and kept attacking... while others jsut saved there geos, and never attacked. Now these guys are rly rich so its an advantage for them, since the score will be reset they will be able to get a good score easily compared to guys like me that used there geos and that are not rich at all.... Right now we are not rich, but we have the score... So that wouldnt be fair at all... unless of course u repay everyone for there money spent, but that wont happen. So if u are going to reset the score, u might as well do a reset...
although I myself don't play for score I do know others that do, and I totally agree with yome

So if u are going to reset the score, u might as well do a reset...

Hear hear!

So if u are going to reset the score, u might as well do a reset...

Score affects the strategies in play.
A scratch will be worth the troubles.

It's fine by me not to do a score reset.
But even those playing by score know that the score doesn't represent the truth due to cheating anymore.
It's not something I can help.

And not for the sake of 1 alliance, but due to this now 6(SIX!) alliances have a score they shouldn't really have.

I wasn't about to reset score for myself, but for the players. But if a majority says we shouldn't reset them, why would I bother?

Well the problem here luke, is that if u would want votes or w/e, it wouldnt be fair. If i would have saved from the beggining, i would obviously want a score reset so i would have more chance than the others since i would have more money than the ones that went for the score since the beggining. So u cant rly ask us if we want a score reset or not, cuz now it just depends who has the more money... The ones with more money dont give a **** if we have a score reset, and the ones with a higher score and less money will rly care about the score... so it depends who played the game since the beggining and who saved since the beggining.... So as i said before : If ur going to reset the score, might as well make a whole reset...

And foskasse, i know u dont give a **** about the score, but lots of us do...There's 2 way of playing this game : some play for value and some play for the score...

No as I said it's alright by me not to reset. Saves me a lot of time.
I just thought nobody was paying attention to the score system as it's not fixed yet.

No as I said it's alright by me not to reset. Saves me a lot of time.
I just thought nobody was paying attention to the score system as it's not fixed yet.

ah ok... well hopefully the score will stay :D

Alright, since the SC is getting no use whatsoever, I'll put a poll here so we can see the general view on this (remember, the poll matters not, we just like to see how the players feel).

EDIT: Nevermind, I can't seem to figure out how to put a new poll in.

Let me see if i get this right Luke, you gave money to NAOW without informing nobody for them to be able to fight wto and 3rd. world, u made a special weekend on a specific date to benefit that same alliance.
And all the time you kept the informations for yourself.

Every time this game is looking more and more with real life, you are becoming a small George W.

Don't you think that those attitudes clearly benefit some and with the manipulation of information there could be people considering this as cheating?????

Let me see if i get this right Luke, you gave money to NAOW without informing nobody for them to be able to fight wto and 3rd. world, u made a special weekend on a specific date to benefit that same alliance.
And all the time you kept the informations for yourself.

Every time this game is looking more and more with real life, you are becoming a small George W.

Don't you think that those attitudes clearly benefit some and with the manipulation of information there could be people considering this as cheating?????

What? No that is the dumbest remark ever.
Where did I say that?
And what does a special weekend have to do with it?
Say it right now if you are accusing!

What I said is we found some groups of cheating(and some were from WTO) and refunded the people that were hit by them. As we always do when cheating is proven. Nothing changed in that.
NOT refunding them would be unbalancing it and be unfair.
And when I say more than 100 people, you come up with NAOW? How many people are in there?
How could any alliance refunded use it against another alliance if they initially lost it already?

And how did I keep this to myself? The whole crew knew, as a LOT of players as I didn't keep it a secret. I have no reason to keep it a secret as it's just honest to refund people when hit by cheating. And as I said even more will get a little refund.

So:
1) Looking at NAOW only?
2) Coming up with a special weekend out of nowhere just because you didn't have a point at all
3) Calling me a George Bush?

I think it's safe to say I can call you a banned player.

Remind me next time not to be open about it on the forums. This is what you get. In the time before we never spoke about refunding and then nobody would start to scream nonsense.

It's alright, he must have misunderstood some of the things posted here...

But it's like crew can never do anything right:
We don't refund, people will scream.
We do refund, people will scream.

We aren't open about it on the forums, people say we are hiding something.
We ARE open about it on the forums, we are just as bad.

So I guess some think that when holes are found and abused, or mega-jewelscripters kick some players around, they shouldn't be refunded? Or are some just saying that because they think it was their enemy that was kicked around? And that makes it justified?

I am not meaning to be rude or even wadeing in on this discussion, but this week I have been asked about NAOW a couple of times, I have looked and looked at their bank accounts now unless I am blind or I am missing something, I can resolutely state that there is nothing odd going on. It seems to me that whenever an alliance is near the top everyone starts screaming cheat and somewhere along the line Luke or the staff get dragged into this.

Personally and no disrespect meant here, but when you have spent the better part of 3 - 4 hours looking at players accounts to then be totally ignored I really do not know why we bother. You do not believe a word we tell you, you constantly question our integrity and if thats not bad enough your still happy to allow us to waste our time too.

Now you either get used to the fact that just because another alliance is not playing the same type of game as you and are infact spending not saving, or yo are never going to be able to enjoy GEWar.

Just so you know the above part is not aimed at any one particular alliance.

Not everybody cheats and lies, I personally take pride in telling the truth to only find the very alliance I have spoken to still does not believe a word I have said. I find that insulting.

Not at all, the great majority of the players really respect the time that the crew
put into this game and appreciate the work you all do.

But this game can get personal to some people, and something like this can get misunderstood really easy.
IMHO the best option is to handle this kind of things out on the open
But it's like crew can never do anything right:
We don't refund, people will scream.
We do refund, people will scream.

We aren't open about it on the forums, people say we are hiding something.
We ARE open about it on the forums, we are just as bad.

So I guess some think that when holes are found and abused, or mega-jewelscripters kick some players around, they shouldn't be refunded? Or are some just saying that because they think it was their enemy that was kicked around? And that makes it justified?

But it's like crew can never do anything right:
We don't refund, people will scream.
We do refund, people will scream.

We aren't open about it on the forums, people say we are hiding something.
We ARE open about it on the forums, we are just as bad.



Sounds like being a parent! Does that make us your kids? Hunh daddy?

Let me see if i get this right Luke, you gave money to NAOW without informing nobody for them to be able to fight wto and 3rd. world, u made a special weekend on a specific date to benefit that same alliance.
And all the time you kept the informations for yourself.

Every time this game is looking more and more with real life, you are becoming a small George W.

Don't you think that those attitudes clearly benefit some and with the manipulation of information there could be people considering this as cheating?????

Perhaps, it's not NAOW's fault, but 3rd World's fault.

Given the jewel weekends, I think NAOW probably triple-jewelled more than 3rd. Thats a huge, huge geo advantage.

So instead of complaining that NAOW are cheats (which is very doubtful).... Perhaps we should all go away and jewel a bit more...

Nobody is acussing anyone of cheating, and nobody said anything about UNO, so, keep to yourself your own interpretation of this thread.

Perhaps, it's not NAOW's fault, but 3rd World's fault.

Given the jewel weekends, I think NAOW probably triple-jewelled more than 3rd. Thats a huge, huge geo advantage.

So instead of complaining that NAOW are cheats (which is very doubtful).... Perhaps we should all go away and jewel a bit more...

Well, meola does come off saying that Luke is attempting to inbalance the game by "giving" money to NAOW, when he was possibly giving money (refunding, or however you wish to see it) to not only NAOW but AO aswell.

Jaz was only attempting to state one of the many reasons as to how it is possible NAOW has a large amount of money to spend.

There were 2 weekends this reset where jewels were worth 4.5 geos a piece, bringing in 225 geos per 50 jewels.

Quite possible for a lot of them to jewel 4-5,000 jewels that weekend and make an extra 18- 22,500. Which with interest would be an extra 70-80,000 geos by now.

i sure hope this cheating stuff isnt really the case, theres been far too many web games ive played over the years that have been destroyed by corrupt admins and cheating players.

Someone please just close this thread, it's way ;offtopic

i sure hope this cheating stuff isnt really the case, theres been far too many web games ive played over the years that have been destroyed by corrupt admins and cheating players.

Carach, believe me, we aren't corrupt. We do what we do to try and ensure a fair gaming experience for all of the players. Yes, we have cheaters from time to time, but the crew lays the smack down, and those that break the rules meet our trusty hammer.

Someone please just close this thread, it's way ;offtopic
Personally if reseting the score is what needs to be done do it. I've used a lot of my money to get my score and though It hurts me a lot to see it go for nothing... it's better for the game right? Though this also worries people, now the people who haven't done any attacking are going to be able to jump out and get a high score. This would happen anyway it's just happening now more then later. I highly doubt all the savers are just going to jump out and start attacking everything in sight. Leave the score how it is and sure it may level out given a couple months... but do we really want to acknowledge the people who cheated to get to where they are for possibly months?

I can already see the downfall of this thread.

It would be in the best interest of people to express their feelings on this matter privately through the helpdesk or private messages with a staff member rather than allowing this to blow out of proportion.

Getting angry and fuming your frustration publicly will most likely lead you to two places. Being muted or banned, and noone really wants that, do they?

After reading this thread and learning from this thread all that has gone on..people getting funded to attack cheaters others getting refunded cause of cheater..The only one hurt here is the non cheaters...It maybe time to bite the bullet Luke and reset the whole game again.....cause this is getting way out of hand....

After reading this thread and learning from this thread all that has gone on..people getting funded to attack cheaters others getting refunded cause of cheater..The only one hurt here is the non cheaters...It maybe time to bite the bullet Luke and reset the whole game again.....cause this is getting way out of hand....

No one got funded to attack cheaters. Those who attacked the cheaters got partial refunds.

End of, simple and easy. Still earn on in the reset, scores should equal out in a month or two.

Yeah as eventually there is now no change in geos for anyone(atleast in anyones favour), I would hardly see the need for a reset.

Only score is unbalanced. Holes are fixed and working on a new verification code as this one is too easy to crack.

I have personally had enough of this, I remember previously there not being this much stink when accounts had to be refunded because we had a player who decided to hack those of you who had easy passwords and to play your accounts. I also remember a number of the ones who are complaining this time were ones who were refunded last time, funny how when the shoes on the other foot you dont like it isnt it.

So with this in mind and the fact that your not listening to us anyway, I have decided to close this thread, its like flogging a dead horse.

Oh and just so you can ignore it again here's my previous post, lets hope at least one of you listens.

I am not meaning to be rude or even wadeing in on this discussion, but this week I have been asked about NAOW a couple of times, I have looked and looked at their bank accounts now unless I am blind or I am missing something, I can resolutely state that there is nothing odd going on. It seems to me that whenever an alliance is near the top everyone starts screaming cheat and somewhere along the line Luke or the staff get dragged into this.

Personally and no disrespect meant here, but when you have spent the better part of 3 - 4 hours looking at players accounts to then be totally ignored I really do not know why we bother. You do not believe a word we tell you, you constantly question our integrity and if thats not bad enough your still happy to allow us to waste our time too.

Now you either get used to the fact that just because another alliance is not playing the same type of game as you and are infact spending not saving, or yo are never going to be able to enjoy GEWar.

Just so you know the above part is not aimed at any one particular alliance.

Not everybody cheats and lies, I personally take pride in telling the truth to only find the very alliance I have spoken to still does not believe a word I have said. I find that insulting.


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